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milk for humans

There is only one kind of Milk made for humans and this is the only kind I'll drink, and that's good old fashion breast milk. I buy mine after it's been pasteurized. There are a few of these kinds of Dairies.

http://www.hmbana.org

Here is a comparison chart of how good this Milk is
http://www.saanendoah.com/compare.html

At $3.50 and ounce it is the best milk you can get and it's been reported having beneficial effects in fighting cancer.

sustainability

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organic food

i heard there is a farmers market every wednesday at the hinton center that has local organic fruits and veggies. i haven't been yet, but i heard about it.. anyone know of this??

Milk is NOT Milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don't pasteurize or homogenize milk it's called "Raw" milk, now there are two kinds of pasteurizing one is Ultra-pasteurizing where you heat the milk over 200 degrees and then cool it, the other is just pasteurizing it where it's not heated so hot, I think around 165 or so, but still kills bad bacteria, etc.
Then there is non-homogenized and homogenized if the milk is not homogenized then the cream rises to the top and you'll have a cream line in your milk jug, if it is homogenized the then you don't get the cream that rises to the top of the milk, but it is still not considered "Raw" because it has been pasteurized. Organic milk is from cows who are fed organic feed and also have a clean pasture to eat from and no pesticides are used on the farmer's crops or fields, by government standards these cows are to not have antibiotics or given growth hormones, but only in life and death situations an organic cow can be given antibiotics, if this is the case her milk is to be held for 90 days and not used for selling and has to be dumped down the drain. But also with "regular" milk if a cow is sick, which they will still get sick from time to time even if given antibiotics, their milk also has to be held but for only 72 hours and that milk is dumped down the drain. Whether organic or not there is not to be antibiotics in either milk before hitting the shelves. But really how can we prove this the government can tell you only what they want you to hear.
Now for the hormones, the synthetic ones, those are not regulated by the government they don't test the milk to see if it has synthetic hormones in the milk so a non organic cow who is given synthetic hormones will have those hormones in the milk that we are drinking, these are not good for you at all and ALL "regular" milk has these synthetic hormones in it. Now for vaccines, organic farmers and non organic farmers vaccinate their cows just like humans would vaccinate their children if they choose to. Can this get in the milk?
Well, if the synthetic hormones can and if the antibiotics can, and they obviously could get in the milk otherwise they would not hold the milk and then dump it down the drain and do testing on it to see if there is antibiotics in the milk, then the vaccines can too. Not good!!!!
Now to really blow your mind and please do research on this via the internet if you want, some "regular" milk has formaldehyde in it for preserving it longer and by law it is legal and an option for the milk companies and they don't have to list it as an ingredient. Gross huh? That is also in cigarettes, and not to mention in dead bodies. Organic milk does not have this very harmful ingredient in it.
So milk is not just milk! Remember the government will tell you anything you want to hear and only tell you what they want you to know.
I wish I could afford my own cow and get my own milk from her that way I know what I am getting, and I know how clean she is and the environment around her is.

nlne

Actually...

I personally don't buy raw milk very often, so I'm not a raw milk apologist here. But the fact of the matter is that raw milk is substantially different from pasteurized milk, and not just "an incresed possibility of contamination. Read this article for a lot of info, but the first line sums it up:

Pasteurization destroys enzymes, diminishes vitamin content, denatures fragile milk proteins, alters vitamin B12, and vitamin B6, kills beneficial bacteria...

Sorry, just had to post my $.02

I don't doubt your grandma

I don't doubt your grandma that lima beans are good for you. My point is that, for every positive thing that your grandma could possibly say about lima beans someone is bound to find a reason why your grandma doesn't know a goddamned thing about lima beans and could tell you why lima beans are bad for you.

"So if I see a cow sneezing like crazy, I don't want it's milk."

By that rational, we should all follow the Muslim belief or Samuel L. Jackson's (whichever you prefer) and not eat pork because, "Pigs sleep and root in shit. That's a filthy animal."

Honestly, I haven't seen any ads or any information from organic dairy farms about organic milk's "healing powers". I prefer to drink it as an alternative to regular because I don't want any extra hormones or anti-biotics in my food. I made the decision to drink organic milk on my own without the influence of anyone or anything else.

And another thing, unfortunately I don't think we're gonna see a cure for anything soon. Cures don't make money.

"Organic" is a marketing tool, not something based i

The following article is from center for global food issues; published without profit for educational and research purposes.

http://www.milkismilk.com/news-Milk_Wars-05.html

my favorite quote is "saying orgainic milk doesn't have pesticides in it, is like saying, it's not latex paint",..in that no milk has substantial pesticide levels.

Sorry to jump in on this thread it just looked like you were both having so much fun.

Not everything is bad for.

Not everything is bad for. Lima beans are good for you. Ask my grams...she'll tell you.
Two things: One, my belief that organic milk may not be great for you is based on a little common sense. If you saw someone sneeze on their hand and then hold it out to you to shake...would you? I would not. So if I see a cow sneezing like crazy, I don't want it's milk. Pretty loose analogy, but it's viable. There is a reason we pastuerize. It kills pathogens that are known to be harmful in high quantities and also kills spoilage bacteria that helps the milk stay on the shelf longer therefore ruining the day of many a milk carton lady (see Clerks). Two, I didn't say people were getting sick on organic milk, just that it didn't have the magical healing properties that farms like Organic Pastures claim. There was a whole scam back in the vaudeville days surrounding "healing tonics" and the rhetoric they spit out smacks of the same con artist antics of old.

P.S. Most things have been invented in a lab. I support your martyrdom for lining the pockets of scientists and the mega corps that support them...but I'd like to see a cure for something in the next few years....and I like my computer....and most other advances in technology. And that is why I am a weirdo.

I'm not drinking organic

I'm not drinking organic milk to cure anything. I'm drinking it because its my choice to do so.

My point was that everything is bad for you. Drinking organic milk, smoking organic cigarettes, drinking organic soda, etc., etc., etc. I'm sure someday someone will find a reason why eating organic vegetables is bad for you. So my reasoning holds it ground.

And I don't see how your arguement is any more valid than mine. Where's your scientic backing that organic milk isn't good for you? Do you know of anyone getting sick from drinking organic milk?

The thing is, you can find a million arguements against organic milk just as I can find a million arguements supporting organic milk.

Plus, I do my best to steer clear of things that were invented in a lab and line the pockets of people who don't need any more money than they already have.

I was referring to

I was referring to antibiotics that keep cows from getting diseases that are transferred through milk. Things that don't get caught till the milk has left the plant. I would say that letting cows get sick and die was mistreating them.
There are a lot of complete falsehoods surrounding organic raw milk. They claim a lot of things that have no scietific backing at all. Like curing asthma and things like that. Killing bacteria in milk by superheating it via pasteurization is favorable to rolling the dice.
As far as the slippery slope reasoning of you might as well drink organic milk, as you eat fast food, drink soda and breathe...not a real leg to stand on here. You can make healthy life choices with the aid of technology and medicine without becoming dependant on it.
For the record, I do favor organic vegetables but draw the line at organic meats and dairies. Just my 27 cents worth.

Chale.

Chale.

Have you ever heard of Posilac? It's an anti-biotic that makes the cows produce more milk. That "anti-biotic" makes the cows SICKER. When humans consume anti-biotics through their food the germs become accustomed to the anti-biotics and in turn become "super germs". Thus making it harder for doctors to treat people when they get sick.

I support animal rights as well. I don't favor drinking milk from cows that have been mistreated through factory farming.

Also, think about the shit that you put into your body when you eat fast food, drink soda, breathe, etc. Consider the risk you take in drinking organic milk as minor compared to the day-to-day shit that people do to their bodies by poisoning it with the garbage that they consume.

Organic dairy may be silly

Most of the additives given to cows in dairies are in the form of antibiotics so they don't get sick. And raw milk is milk that hasn't been pasteurized....which is a non chemical procedure. So raw organic milk is not much different from regular milk except it has an increased possiblity of contamination. Good luck.

Sorry I took so long to reply!

I haven't talked to my friend in a while. He went back to India and I have no idea how to get a hold of him. I'm 73% certain that the other reply is the right name of the organic dairy though...

Thanks for the info about the other farm!

Support Local Farms

I think you are referring to Organic Pastures (www.organicpastures.com) just west of Fresno near Kerman, first certified organic dairy in California - A wonderful family operation. If you want to try biodynamic - we have a great local farm in Fresno - Marian Farms 9835 W Mckinley Ave, Fresno, 93722 - (559) 276-6185 gaining notoriety nationwide for their farming techniques.

If you like sustainable

If you like sustainable agriculture, you'll love T&D Willey Farms. Where's the organic dairy farm?